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General discussion of BADLANDS


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Lily Miller

My general understanding of the concepts is still in processing, but the easiest to understand I think is the dominant features. The difficult part, may be connecting the different concepts that are with in screen shot. I tend to get caught up in one or two things and over look other concepts.

Josh Noble

From the page "The Fifteen Points of Mise-en-scene" the concept of Angle and Shot and camera proxemics are most confusing to me. I see these two concepts as apart of the shot/camera work and not apart of m-e-s. I guess they kind of blur the line between the two.

Amy Elder

After last week's discussion of m-e-s I feel like I understand the concept a little better. The easiest to understand are the dominant and subsidiary contrasts. The character proxemics and placements are easy as well.
The hardest concept for me to really understand would be the composition. I have never taken a film class or shot any movies of my own, so while I'm watching a movie my eyes are not trained to pick out how the two-dimensional space is organized. I am confused as to how to pick out if there is an underlying design in the shot because I have never learned how to do so.

Anna Markee

It was helpful to go over the specific points of m-e-s so I better understood what each aspect entailed. I seem to be able to grasp each concept pretty well thus far. However I am I little confused with a different part of m-e-s. Is the only time we analyze m-e-s when we take a still frame from the movie? I tried taking notes on different aspects of m-e-s throughout the movie but I found it really hard because the scene was always changing. For example, every time I wanted to write about something such as the lighting, the lighting in the movie would change to something else... So I found that most of the notes I took from the movie ended up being on character development, symbolism, and general themes. Is this the right way to take notes on the movie? Or should I somehow be focusing more on m-e-s? I made almost this exact same post on friday but now I can't see it anymore so maybe it didn't go through... if its on here twice sorry.

Shaun Huston

I think that it is important to take note of things that are noticeable to you, even if they are not immediately related to the main focus of the course. When you take up your notes to write an essay or a Film Analysis, you will want to ask yourself questions about what you noticed and how those might be related to m-e-s.

Regarding, aspects of m-e-s, work on strategies for "marking" specific shots for later reference and also look for recurring elements. For example, with lighting maybe there is a specific shot or scene to note and go back to, or maybe you are picking up on a recurring device. The essays in Patterson provide examples of both kinds of analysis.

Mason Brause

I hadn't considered character proxemics and and placement before while watching movies,but they play an important role in letting the audience know about the relation of the characters to one another and the percieved power or respect that the audience should feel toward them.

Lauren Hiland

Honestly I'm still somewhat struggling to understand the overall concept of mise-en-scene. I hoping during our class time tomorrow I will be able to get a better grasp on what exactly it is. I can see the angles of the camera, and the colors, and lightening of the scene, I've just been having a difficult time putting those all together to try to work with mise-en-scene.

Lucas Ashland

I am sort of in the same boat as Anna. While it is fairly easy to analyze m-e-s when we pause the movie, it hard to think about all of the different aspects of m-e-s while scenes are rapidly changing. Another thing I am having difficulty with is figuring out if a director is intentionally using a m-e-s technique or if he uses an interesting camera angle just because he thinks it looks cool or something. I think that semiotics is the most difficult thing for me to think about while watching a movie. It's hard to tell when a director is using symbolism or when an object just happens to be in a scene.

Karl Amspacher

Even though it's not visible, isn't sound direction an important part of the staging of a scene? Especially in modern films, dialogue is incredibly important, with audio effects and music setting tone. Is there anyway to work this aspect of analysis into m-e-s?

Karl Amspacher

while a single frame can capture a cinematic moment, would it be possible to instead analyze a 3-5 second clip from a movie? An embedded youtube clip could capture a full idea, a motion, as well as the audio.

Shaun Huston

Karl, two of the readings on Days of Heaven address this question about sound and music and m-e-s, and will be a subject of discussion for the coming week.

Shaun Huston

Karl, when working on the essays you should feel free to reference clips instead of frames in your writing and analysis. For purposes of the Film Analysis assignment I am asking you to practice a particular kind of writing about film that involves holding in place and highlighting particular elements in the frame and for that exercise, isolating a single frame, or related series of frames, is useful. We will continue to look at whole shots and moving clips in class during our post-film discussions.

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